OK, I'll stop now, hope I haven't driven you even angrier. Well, I'll admit I was okay with your initial comment, but the paragraph you added upon editing it did make me a little upset. (Will get to that later.) But it's fine. I appreciate the apology and I know you didn't mean it that way. I've done the same thing so I get how easy it is to fall in the trap of putting down one character in favour of another. I owe such a big apology to Sam fans for my attitude over the years as a Daniel fan!
Re Daniel in S9-10, I understand where you're coming from even if I don't exactly agree. I miss seeing Daniel reaching out, connecting with new civilisations. OTOH, I really like that he's changed, that his character has not remained static. I can't imagine anyone who has seen the things he has wouldn't be deeply affected, or become hardened. I find Daniel's reluctance to open up to Vala (and Cam, less obviously) to be interesting and believable. And his passionate nature still shines through, in "Origin", in "Pegasus Project", in "The Quest", and more.
One fic bunny I'm toying with is Daniel meeting Lya again after the Ori war, and Lya grieving over what Daniel's become, and Daniel holding some anger at the Nox for playing Switzerland. It wouldn't be a pretty conversation, but I think they'd find a way to eventually reconcile.
every time Cameron is confronted with a "real" scientist, he acts quite dismissive. When has Cameron been dismissive of scientists? Seriously, when has this ever happened in canon? If you give me examples, I will apologise and take your point. But Cam is nothing but respectful to Lam, to Lee (Cam shouts once in "Avalon, Part 2", but he's not disrespectful or insulting, just agitated), to the scientists in "Collateral Damage", Dr. Kelly in "Stronghold", Dr. Reimer in "Morpheus". In "Origin", Landry says, "Just got a report from Dr. Lindsay on P3X-421." and Mitchell knew off the top of his head that Lindsay was an anthropologist. He knows the names of the scientists, their specialities, he goes to back them up in the field, listens when they speak.
When you say "real" scientists, I think you're distinguishing Lee and Rodney as "quirky personalities", like Dr. Novak who hiccups when she's nervous, the geeks, the nerds, guys who play WoW. Which has nothing to do with their profession. I just don't understand this fanon that Cam is dismissive of scientists based solely on "The Pegasus Project", which is an entirely different matter. There, he's not dismissive of Rodney as a scientist-- he just doesn't like Rodney as a person. (More on that later.)
Yes, Cam gets impatient with Vala when she tries to con her way into something. He (and everyone else in the room) once didn't laugh at Dr. Lee's joke (but please note that he and Dr. Lee bounce ideas off each other quite well in "Avalon, Part 2"). That is a FAR CRY with saying Cam acts dismissive, or would've dismissed S1 Daniel. More often than not, science makes Cam go "cooool!"
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Date: 7 June 2009 07:53 pm (UTC)Well, I'll admit I was okay with your initial comment, but the paragraph you added upon editing it did make me a little upset. (Will get to that later.) But it's fine. I appreciate the apology and I know you didn't mean it that way. I've done the same thing so I get how easy it is to fall in the trap of putting down one character in favour of another. I owe such a big apology to Sam fans for my attitude over the years as a Daniel fan!
Re Daniel in S9-10, I understand where you're coming from even if I don't exactly agree. I miss seeing Daniel reaching out, connecting with new civilisations. OTOH, I really like that he's changed, that his character has not remained static. I can't imagine anyone who has seen the things he has wouldn't be deeply affected, or become hardened. I find Daniel's reluctance to open up to Vala (and Cam, less obviously) to be interesting and believable. And his passionate nature still shines through, in "Origin", in "Pegasus Project", in "The Quest", and more.
One fic bunny I'm toying with is Daniel meeting Lya again after the Ori war, and Lya grieving over what Daniel's become, and Daniel holding some anger at the Nox for playing Switzerland. It wouldn't be a pretty conversation, but I think they'd find a way to eventually reconcile.
every time Cameron is confronted with a "real" scientist, he acts quite dismissive.
When has Cameron been dismissive of scientists? Seriously, when has this ever happened in canon? If you give me examples, I will apologise and take your point. But Cam is nothing but respectful to Lam, to Lee (Cam shouts once in "Avalon, Part 2", but he's not disrespectful or insulting, just agitated), to the scientists in "Collateral Damage", Dr. Kelly in "Stronghold", Dr. Reimer in "Morpheus". In "Origin", Landry says, "Just got a report from Dr. Lindsay on P3X-421." and Mitchell knew off the top of his head that Lindsay was an anthropologist. He knows the names of the scientists, their specialities, he goes to back them up in the field, listens when they speak.
When you say "real" scientists, I think you're distinguishing Lee and Rodney as "quirky personalities", like Dr. Novak who hiccups when she's nervous, the geeks, the nerds, guys who play WoW. Which has nothing to do with their profession. I just don't understand this fanon that Cam is dismissive of scientists based solely on "The Pegasus Project", which is an entirely different matter. There, he's not dismissive of Rodney as a scientist-- he just doesn't like Rodney as a person. (More on that later.)
Yes, Cam gets impatient with Vala when she tries to con her way into something. He (and everyone else in the room) once didn't laugh at Dr. Lee's joke (but please note that he and Dr. Lee bounce ideas off each other quite well in "Avalon, Part 2"). That is a FAR CRY with saying Cam acts dismissive, or would've dismissed S1 Daniel. More often than not, science makes Cam go "cooool!"