Right, I get why you're shocked, but no I'm not watching these sites. When I was watching season 4 and 5 of Stargate, I really grew to dislike Sam, and the Sam/Jack flirtation, and I wanted to read a bashing fic that would show Daniel clearly eclipsing her. Like along the lines of VINDICATION by Shedoc.
I stumbled upon the die "Carter" site and link to "kill Weir" and simply bookmarked them for future reading. Bookmarking being saving the community. I didn't realise they REALLY killed off the characters, I thought it'd be like a "Daniel's cooler than Sam community". When I did look into it, I was actually quite disturbed at the mindless violence and bloodlust of most fics. I might dislike some characters, but I don't spend time imagining gruesome ways for them to die! Since I don't actually use my account except for posting reviews, I simply forget I still had them there. Also while we're on the subject, I am particularly shocked at the fics which imagine in gruesome details just all the ways Daniel (or Harry Potter) were abused as foster children. I know it's called hurt/comfort, but I just don't understand this morbid fascination with child rape or abuse.
I get that you dislike bashing, but seriously, isn't Schadenfreude a part of human nature? I mean I don't want to see Sam get raped or murdered or tortured or even in pain, but from my pov, seeing Sam lose out to Daniel, seeing her hopes dashed, seeing MY character the uncontested winner gives me satisfaction. I know you'll argue that liking one character doesn't mean having to put down another, and most of the time it doesn't, but after I've seen a particularly annoying episode, I like a bashing fic. Maybe it’s just jealousy, I mean she is pretty perfect. I don't know if that makes me a horrible person, but I can't deny that's how I feel.
Now, as for your remarks on our society, I admit that you're getting a bit too philosophical for me. Are you quite well educated? I've thought about what you've said and I can't decide whether I think you're being too touchy ( I mean the ingrained prejudice in our society, not your view on rapes), or whether I was being too short-sighted. I think it also depends on our backgrounds. I'm French and I truly believe that we are a relatively unprejudiced society. I admit my grandmother's generation might still carry some prejudice but I believe my mother's and my generation are almost free of homophobia, racism or sexism. But then Le Pen’s near ascension to power comes to mind, so maybe I’m just willfully blind to it. But since I don’t think I live in a prejudiced society, I find it hard to see prejudice in others too. Rodney staring at Sam’s ass or his tasteless comments, is just him making an ass out of himself as men are known to do, not part of a deeper ingrained woman-hating society. Just a distasteful joke here or there. No bearing on women’s actual merits. Same with Cam’s fat comment. Ultimately no one really cares about a person’s weight, so it didn’t really do any harm. Although I was a bit shocked at Daniel’s treatment or Sha’re in Secrets too.
My first thought when I read your comment was if everyone was so touchy “you’d have to watch everything you say for fear of always offending someone”, but then I asked myself why it’s so easy to make a thoughtless comment. I mean no one would accidentally make a tasteless anti-Semitic joke, so why it is still allright to joke about ‘dumb blondes’ or ‘queers’. So, quite probably you’re right and we still are even subconsciously being influenced by a prejudiced and very narrow-minded way of thinking. Obviously I’m naïve and too optimistic about human nature. I read your links. When I read Cereta’s , I thought she was totally exaggerating and she was really quite unfair to judge all men by the acts of a few sickos. Then I read the second post about the rapes, and I was quite shaken. I don’t get it, I mean why, and who? Is it actually human nature, or is it the military having another mindset? Maybe rape is just another weapon to them, to show dominance? I don’t know what to think. God, I’ve written a novel, I don’t think I’ve ever had such a detailed exchange in my history of reading fanfiction before. Hope I didn’t bore you.
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Re: Holy crap
Date: 15 June 2009 10:47 pm (UTC)I stumbled upon the die "Carter" site and link to "kill Weir" and simply bookmarked them for future reading. Bookmarking being saving the community.
I didn't realise they REALLY killed off the characters, I thought it'd be like a "Daniel's cooler than Sam community". When I did look into it, I was actually quite disturbed at the mindless violence and bloodlust of most fics. I might dislike some characters, but I don't spend time imagining gruesome ways for them to die! Since I don't actually use my account except for posting reviews, I simply forget I still had them there.
Also while we're on the subject, I am particularly shocked at the fics which imagine in gruesome details just all the ways Daniel (or Harry Potter) were abused as foster children. I know it's called hurt/comfort, but I just don't understand this morbid fascination with child rape or abuse.
I get that you dislike bashing, but seriously, isn't Schadenfreude a part of human nature? I mean I don't want to see Sam get raped or murdered or tortured or even in pain, but from my pov, seeing Sam lose out to Daniel, seeing her hopes dashed, seeing MY character the uncontested winner gives me satisfaction. I know you'll argue that liking one character doesn't mean having to put down another, and most of the time it doesn't, but after I've seen a particularly annoying episode, I like a bashing fic. Maybe it’s just jealousy, I mean she is pretty perfect. I don't know if that makes me a horrible person, but I can't deny that's how I feel.
Now, as for your remarks on our society, I admit that you're getting a bit too philosophical for me. Are you quite well educated?
I've thought about what you've said and I can't decide whether I think you're being too touchy ( I mean the ingrained prejudice in our society, not your view on rapes), or whether I was being too short-sighted. I think it also depends on our backgrounds. I'm French and I truly believe that we are a relatively unprejudiced society. I admit my grandmother's generation might still carry some prejudice but I believe my mother's and my generation are almost free of homophobia, racism or sexism. But then Le Pen’s near ascension to power comes to mind, so maybe I’m just willfully blind to it.
But since I don’t think I live in a prejudiced society, I find it hard to see prejudice in others too. Rodney staring at Sam’s ass or his tasteless comments, is just him making an ass out of himself as men are known to do, not part of a deeper ingrained woman-hating society. Just a distasteful joke here or there. No bearing on women’s actual merits. Same with Cam’s fat comment. Ultimately no one really cares about a person’s weight, so it didn’t really do any harm. Although I was a bit shocked at Daniel’s treatment or Sha’re in Secrets too.
My first thought when I read your comment was if everyone was so touchy “you’d have to watch everything you say for fear of always offending someone”, but then I asked myself why it’s so easy to make a thoughtless comment. I mean no one would accidentally make a tasteless anti-Semitic joke, so why it is still allright to joke about ‘dumb blondes’ or ‘queers’. So, quite probably you’re right and we still are even subconsciously being influenced by a prejudiced and very narrow-minded way of thinking.
Obviously I’m naïve and too optimistic about human nature. I read your links. When I read Cereta’s , I thought she was totally exaggerating and she was really quite unfair to judge all men by the acts of a few sickos. Then I read the second post about the rapes, and I was quite shaken. I don’t get it, I mean why, and who? Is it actually human nature, or is it the military having another mindset? Maybe rape is just another weapon to them, to show dominance? I don’t know what to think.
God, I’ve written a novel, I don’t think I’ve ever had such a detailed exchange in my history of reading fanfiction before. Hope I didn’t bore you.