stargate_search | Pegasus project fix and Daniel fix

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I'm finally watching the last two seasons of SG1, long after having watched all seasons of Atlantis. I just watched Pegasus project and the episode left me quite annoyed. I adore Rodney, and I felt John was showing off to Mitchell by being a bully to Rodney basically, and while I'm not a huge fan of Mitchell in the first place, this really made me dislike him.

So, I'd like fics where John feels guilty or gets reprimanded by others, or where he realises the Atlanteans are quite offended on Rodney's behalf, or that Rodney's way cooler than Mitchell.
Secondly, I've had enough of Mitchell's stupid attempts to try to copy Jack's behaviour, he just doesn't have the charm to pull it off.
So any fics where he gets taken down a peg or two. Maybe where Daniel has a go at him.

Secondly, while Daniel knowing how to use his P-90 is really sexy, it seems that's all he gets to do in the later seasons. So any fics where Daniel's unique awesomeness shines through, or where Mitchell especially gets a new appreciation for him?
Any ships or slash is fine.
Thanks in advance

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bluflamingo.livejournal.com

And I really doubt that Rodney's been scarred for life or whatever, because seriously, he is not some fragile little thing whose feelings have been deeply wounded

Could we put that on a fandom wide banner or something please? Things would go so much more smoothly then.

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scrollgirl.livejournal.com

Heh. So true.

I think a good case could be made for Rodney being a bundle of neuroses, but then who in Atlantis isn't? Even Teyla, for all her calm and meditation, is not really as zen and controlled as her facade would have you believe. But that's not the same thing as the fanon of Rodney being emotionally traumatized by lemons. You know? Dead teammates = trauma. Genocide = trauma. Being threatened by lemons? Does not equal trauma.

What I'd love to see someone tackle is Rodney fixating on one of his allergies, like bees or citrus, as a way to repress/cope with the real trauma of losing Elizabeth or Carson. I think that would be far more interesting.

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bluflamingo.livejournal.com

What I'd love to see someone tackle is Rodney fixating on one of his allergies, like bees or citrus, as a way to repress/cope with the real trauma of losing Elizabeth or Carson. I think that would be far more interesting.

NOw, *that* I would read. I'd even read a Pegasus Project take on it - that he obsesses over Cam and the lemon instead of the possible loss of Earth to the Ori - as long as it didn't slide off into 'Cam's evil for not psychically knowing that's what it was.' Or, hmm, post-Trinity fic where Rodney's convinced they're all shunning him and actually most of them don't know anything about it, he's just blown normality out of all proportion. Again, as long as it doesn't wander off into 'they're all mean people for not realising he thinks that.'

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scrollgirl.livejournal.com

Ooh, I like your ideas! I'm tempted to write the Pegasus Project one, mostly because I wonder how the expedition team felt, knowing that Earth could very well fall and all their families were in danger.

Again, as long as it doesn't wander off into 'they're all mean people for not realising he thinks that.'
Exactly. It's just so contrary to canon! Ronon and Teyla mostly roll their eyes at Rodney when he's relating his "nightmare" about Sam inviting him to a dinner of lemon chicken. But when push comes to shove and the real danger shows up? John is willing to risk himself in Rodney's dreams, and Rodney's willing to risk himself right back. How many times have they helped each other, faced death together? This is who these people are.

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bluflamingo.livejournal.com

I'm tempted to write the Pegasus Project one

Do it, do it, do it, do it! Please! You'd do an awesome job of it!

John is willing to risk himself in Rodney's dreams, and Rodney's willing to risk himself right back. How many times have they helped each other, faced death together? This is who these people are.

This is what I don't get about the anti-John pro-Rodney stuff. I mean, I sort of get making your favourite character nicer, but isn't the life-saving stuff one of the core parts of their relationship? How do people go from that to John's mean and horrible and picks on Rodney? It makes no sense to me. On the other hand, apparently it makes sense to the people who do it, since someone came and explained it to me last time I was ranting about this in my journal.

That said, maybe they say the same about us Cam/John people - oh my God, how can they take five minutes of on-screen together time and spin out a relationship when John has Rodney?!?!?

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scrollgirl.livejournal.com

On the other hand, apparently it makes sense to the people who do it, since someone came and explained it to me last time I was ranting about this in my journal.
Oooh, link please? I'm too curious!!

That said, maybe they say the same about us Cam/John people - oh my God, how can they take five minutes of on-screen together time and spin out a relationship when John has Rodney?!?!?
You know, I have absolutely no problem with people scratching their heads over John/Cam and how we can spin out first times and an entire history and an established relationship between them from 5 minutes of canon. I just don't understand why they have to bring up Rodney. What does Rodney have anything to do with it? Rodney's a great character on his own or with others, and I've even 'shipped John/Rodney. But he doesn't have, like, proprietary rights over John, or vice versa.

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bluflamingo.livejournal.com

But he doesn't have, like, proprietary rights over John, or vice versa.

That, right there! That's the problem. All the people who think he *does*. Same reason people right Keller as an omg, mean bitch, for stealing Rodney away from John, who clearly has some prior claim to him despite never actually attempting to make it. It's the whole meant to be thing, I think, hence the reason they *have* to bring Rodney into John/Cam.

Oooh, link please? I'm too curious!!

Here you go (Oooh, link please? I'm too curious!!) (mainly argosy). I'm still miffed with her, because she edited her last comment to take out an original 'sorry' about not having time to be analyse-y, which, fine, she's not sorry, but I just thought was really rude and impolite. And also because I felt like I was being told off for not liking this stuff.

It's possible I way over-reacted, but I'm British, we value politeness!

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scrollgirl.livejournal.com

Oops, your link doesn't work!

The Keller bashing is insane. God knows I was guilty of the same thing years ago with Sam (Jack/Daniel 'shipper here) but at least I never called Sam a whiny bitch or other, nasty names I won't repeat. And even those who don't outright call Keller names are so negative, judging her with such a double standard.

Heh. I used to be such a polite girl, but 10 years online has made me much more careless about my manners!

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bluflamingo.livejournal.com

No, that would be because I forgot to put the actual link into the code:

http://bluflamingo.livejournal.com/86968.html?thread=775608#t775608

In my defence, it's 11pm on a Monday and I'm distracted by Jack O'Neill making John Sheppard crawl for him.

And even those who don't outright call Keller names are so negative, judging her with such a double standard

Ugh, tell me about it. She's not the doctor who helped develop a virus that killed thousands of people, or colluded with their enemy! Plus, Keller's great - she's the only person in the entire show who actually behaves like an adult about the person she likes (except for possibly Teyla and Kanaan, though we don't see enough of them to judge).

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scrollgirl.livejournal.com

I would tell you to go to sleep, except now you've got me all intrigued by possible Jack/John porn! *g*

I'm glad there are folks like you and horridporrid who'll defend Keller. I'm finding I like Carson v1.0 better upon re-watch, but I don't think they shouldve brought him back. And with all the Keller-bashing, I find myself liking her more and more, like she needs *somebody* in her corner. I may have to write her for my femgenficathon!

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bluflamingo.livejournal.com

I may have to write her for my femgenficathon!

Yay! She needs more people writing nice things about her.

I think I'm going to write Sora again, which should guarantee that absolutely no-one reads it!

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scrollgirl.livejournal.com

Heh. You should totally write Sora! I like her, but I'll admit it's been ages (not since S1 was airing!) that I read any fic about her. I may have to go back into your fic index!

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vacilicamalfoy.livejournal.com

Sorry, haven't looked at this thread in a few days, I've started quite the debate, haven't I?
Actually I was busy rewatching the last seasons of Stargate, convinced that I could come up with lots of examples to prove you wrong. And I must say, it seems I do indeed owe you and all Mitchell fans an apology. I've not found a single instance where Cameron behaves badly towards a scientist apart from Rodney. I don't know why I was so convinced I'd seen him be a condescending bastard, I think it was partly a preconceived notion of his personality and partly previously read fanfiction being confused with factual canon.
So yeah, I do apologize, while I may never like him, I did defame his character without due cause.

As for what you say of Rodney, well I suppose it's true too. I mean the part about him giving back as good as he gets and him treating his scientists in a similar manner.
"The fact that Rodney "can't help himself" does not excuse his behaviour."
That sentence made me laugh because I've actually always excused his behaviour exactly for that reason. But yeah, you did come down a bit hard on him. He has zero social skills, but he's not a sexist. He genuinely admires Sam's intellect and respects Elisabeth's leadership. I really don't think that you should be offended as a feminist, just maybe cringe at how juvenile his flirting is.
But I'm willing to concede your point, Cameron's and Rodney's personality clash is not proof of Cameron's evil nature! I might have been a bit too overprotective. But I still didn't particularly like John in that episode, even though I usually like his character.

As for Daniel, I understand that he changed a lot in ten years, it would have been unavoidable, but just because he's become more jaded and battle-hardened, doesn't mean he couldn't occasionaly still display the wonder of discovery and inherent passion he had in the first seasons. That's simply what I miss most in the later seasons.

Anyway, this post hurt my pride quite a bit to write, so I hope you accept the apology.
Why don't you help me change my mind about Cameron? Can you rec me some fics which show him as really likeable and give his character some depth?
I've just read all the other comments, and please no John/Cam. After all the comments, I'm almost embarassed to admit that I'm one of those who think that if John and Rodney are gay, they should automatically belong together. I guess we're gonna disagree about everything :-)

Although I do like Keller. I think she's a brilliant doctor with a great easy-going friendly personality. I DO feel she was made into a bit of a Mary Sue, I mean that episode with the runner where she fought a Wraith in hand-to hand combat was a bit over
the top, she's a great gal, but she didn't suddendy turn into Superwoman because she had a few workout sessions with Ronon. But yes, overall she's one of my favorite female characters in the Stargate fandom.
Ok, I'll get off my soapbox now